TO THE POINT THEN, to avoid them trolls XD

********AV and Turrets**********

AV is not only not COMPLETE (we are missing Racial variants for AV) but the Turrets that are supposed to help control vehicle movement are lame and get farmed for WP.

Turrets, are in definition defensive structures built to DEFEND a certain area from infantry AND vehicles alike.
Infantry gets Headshot sniped by Blaster Turrets and RAil turrets insta pop people when they see them.
But they do NOTHING against TANKS. (im talking about un manned turrets). I mean they might ATTEMPT to damage the enemy vehicle but they never win unless the TANKER or DS pilot is either a scrub or me.


There is NO reason a Tank should win against a turret 100% of the times just because its a player that purchased the tank.

IN FACT, i think Turrets should:
1-Not be destroyable while neutral (can only be destroyed if taken by an enemy)
2-Shouldn't be able to be solo'd by a tank.


I think a DEFENSIVE turret should be a solid defense structure and a valuable ASSET.

You know Turrets are lame when NO ONE but newblueberryscrubs hack them at the beginning of the match. WHY?
Because they have NO STRATEGIC VALUE. In order to destroy a turret at LEAST 1 tank and 1 AV infantry should team to take it down.
At least 2 tanks, or a tank and a DS , or whatevs but not a single vehicle. WIth no causalities whatsover. Taking on a turret straight on should be something to consider, something that needs planning, something difficult to do. Tankers should consider calling in a SCOUT to hack it instead of taking on a turret themselves, same as infantry has to call upon AV to at least scare said tanks away.

What i think should be done is exactly the OPPOSITE of what CCP did.

REDUCE TURRET EHP BY HALF
DOUBLE TURRET DAMAGE

This is not a ''discussion'' .
IF people keep requesting stupid nerfs like to scouts or Breach AR or R/E , then i can surely request something that makes sense like this...

The main issue is that a static target will never, ever, be able to withstand a mobile aggressor.

A tank will always be able to surprise the turret, and from then be able to go into cover and then at it again. Any time the tank starts losing it can go a few meters back to cover again, where as the turret is in one spot.

Next issue is, if the turrets are literally unkillable, then HAVs will be useless as will LAVs and Dropships, as you now have an unkillable extremely dangerous half dozen turrets covering the whole map collectively providing ridiculous areas-of-denial.


Currently Turrets already are deadly enough as is, just poorly placed the majority of the time in my opinion. Turrets could stand another HP buff, but not a ridiculous amount more. Currently a Rail can take them out with 10/8/7 shots depending on the level, which is a bit too fast.

But seriously, Turrets are static and thus can never ever expect to win against anyone with a brain and an HAV.

Which is fun, because most turret vs HAV fights go like this.

The tank gets in range of his weapon (turrnt 90% of the times wont fire until its fired upon first) then Stays still, and between Armor reps and shield boosters just stay still and trade fire and win.

Not very mobile if you ask me. Tankers say that they dont have equal EHP than turrets but forget turrets have no way to auto repair themselves in the mist of battle.

So by your logic:
Since you are paying for the tank you should have an advantage over free stuff.

Thats like saying that when im running proto no MLT fit should kill me.



The thing is, turrets are useless. Waste of programming, of banwith,of time (to hack)....They either make them work or remove them. I hate that their only purpose is have tankers go around and destroy them while they are neutral. LOL (or not XD) This is not a HAV nerf thread for you to get all hyped. Im requesting for something that doesnt work, to WORK.

You know that the passive repairs of turrets is SO CRAP that it doesnt count at ALL in a vehicle vs turret battle.

Again with the EHP. I told you, remove half, or MOSt if you want of its HP. But give them Good AI and damage.

''If only you could see how ****** up HAV were internally''

I truly wont get back into AV vs HAV/DS talks like before True. This is about the turrets that dont work for s***. And any Vehicle driver saying that TUrrets are powerful is either a scrub or really new at Dust514.


IF I can easily kill turrets with a freakn soma fitted with MLT cr*p, then so can all the other Vehicle specialist...EVEN LAV's....

@ True Adamance

''All I am suggesting is that infantry do not deserve/require the presence of emplacements more heavily armed and armoured than vehicles when they also have access to powerful AV measures and the advantage on most maps now of not being target-able on objectives or in most key areas.''


We have access to powerful AV measures but we cannot deal with Infantry AND Vehicles and turrets as the same time as HAV users do. Again, Tankers prove to me that every time something that MIGHT threaten their vehicles is suggested they jump right in to attack the idea.



''Basically all your complaints are doing King is planting that final nail of the coffin in most vehicles preventing them from having true roles on the battle field.''
I AGREE, TANKS NEED A PURPOSE in this game besides moving around doing nothing and ruining the game for everyone not skilled into AV. This is the reason why i request turrets to be better. Im not going to SKILL into AV again. Im not interested. But i dont want to just cloak and fade away while my whole team of blue dots is massacred by a vehicle and even if i have the skill i dont have the weapon to do so...and THIS SI THE PURPOSE of the Turret.

You might be right thou. This might be the incorrect solution.
The reason most people DONT use Turrets is because Infantry kills you REALLY easy while operating one.


Tell me. IF i requested a PAssive Scan For turrets. maybe 10-15mts 36-35db scan. This wouldnt affect vehicles direclty, would increase the utilities of a Turret PLUS would make them slighly more usable ...right?

That info doesn't make me doesnt make me think very good of AV weaponry AT ALL.

YOu are kind of proving my point.

You are sacrificing a Light/Heavy weapon that kills infantry effectively for a weapon that takes 4+ shot to kill any vehicle. IF you have them in your line of sight long enough that is...

I think neutral turrets should be indestuctible and they mostly need better placement. There are a few that are well placed and valuable, if you can stop the tanks are the guy with the railgun turret in the redline from destroying it first. Blaster turrets are good partners with AV, not much challenge by themselves though.